The field of mental health encompasses many different professions. It is good for the public as well as teachers and psychologists in training to know the lay of the land, and to understand current practices in the field of psychiatry, because many referrals are made to this profession. The New York Times recently reported the story of one psychiatrist whose practice has changed from regular talk therapy to to short 15-minute medication adjustment sessions that occur much less frequently. This particular doctor explains in the article why he believes the kind of practice he conducts is now necessary because of the way psychiatrists are reimbursed for their services, and he refers patients who need more traditional talk therapy to psychologists, social workers, and mental health counselors:
DOYLESTOWN, Pa. — Alone with his psychiatrist, the patient confided that his newborn had serious health problems, his distraught wife was screaming at him and he had started drinking again. With his life and second marriage falling apart, the man said he needed help.
But the psychiatrist, Dr. Donald Levin, stopped him and said: 'Hold it. I’m not your therapist. I could adjust your medications, but I don’t think that’s appropriate.'
Like many of the nation’s 48,000 psychiatrists, Dr. Levin, in large part because of changes in how much insurance will pay, no longer provides talk therapy, the form of psychiatry popularized by Sigmund Freud that dominated the profession for decades. Instead, he prescribes medication, usually after a brief consultation with each patient. So Dr. Levin sent the man away with a referral to a less costly therapist and a personal crisis unexplored and unresolved.
Trained as a traditional psychiatrist at Michael Reese Hospital, a sprawling Chicago medical center that has since closed, Dr. Levin, 68, first established a private practice in 1972, when talk therapy was in its heyday.
Then, like many psychiatrists, he treated 50 to 60 patients in once- or twice-weekly talk-therapy sessions of 45 minutes each. Now, like many of his peers, he treats 1,200 people in mostly 15-minute visits for prescription adjustments that are sometimes months apart. Then, he knew his patients’ inner lives better than he knew his wife’s; now, he often cannot remember their names. Then, his goal was to help his patients become happy and fulfilled; now, it is just to keep them functional.
Dr. Levin has found the transition difficult. He now resists helping patients to manage their lives better. 'I had to train myself not to get too interested in their problems,' he said, 'and not to get sidetracked trying to be a semi-therapist.'
If you read the entire article, you will learn how this doctor has instituted different efficiency-based business techniques that are a virtual script to get patients in and out of the office itself in the shortest possible time. He explains that this is necessary for him to keep the kind of lifestyle he was accustomed to before the insurance industry made sweeping changes in the 1990s and 2000s in the manner in which physicians are reimbursed by insurance companies. These, he explained, forced him to change the manner in which he practices medicine. There are many thoughtful comments in the ensuing blog discussion. One may wonder if this doctor is making necessary changes to keep up with the times, or question, as Evander Lomke, Executive Director of the American Mental Health Foundation does, whether or not "money is in, and sadly help (not among all, but among too many in the field experiencing the inevitable pressures of time and money) is out."
And do church teachings and opinions on social justice—recently discussed back and forth on America as they apply to public sector workers such teachers, police, and fire fighters (who may earn in "rough figure" ranges, with benefits, between $60,000 and $130,000)—apply to specialists in a field such as psychiatry where salaries are commonly in the $150,000-200,000 range? Some doctors are even wondering if they should consider establishing labor unions for physicians, not only for salary protection, but to allow them professional freedom so they—instead of management by insurance companies—may continue to set and practice standards based on their professional training, competence and guidelines.
William Van Ornum





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This is immediately what I thought of when reading about the psychiatrist who treats solely on medication adjustments in shallow 15 minute sessions with each patient. I feel as though with the overshadowing of drugs and medications as quick fixes in America we have lost sight of simple things we could do to improve our lives that would work just as well as taking any drug. Simple adjustments such as “talk therapy,” exercise, or changing our diets could be all that we need sometimes, but simple adjustments are certainly not what sell.
After reading the article Talk Doesn’t Pay, So Psychiatry Turns Instead to Drug Therapy, it is easy to understand why so many psychiatrists have opted to eliminate talk therapy and rely solely on prescription treatment. But is it ethical to ignore or disregard a client’s personal issues for monetary benefit? What effect does this impersonal interaction have on the client?
Personally, I believe that this shift in practice is undermining the values of the field. These psychiatrists are no longer actively seeking to safeguard client welfare to their full extent, as financial factors are clouding personal efforts. Instead, the psychiatrists mentioned are looking to shortcuts for personal gain. We must be sure that the best services possible are being provided to those in need.
Providing proper services means maintaining competence. The New York Times article mentioned that many psychiatrists fail to get additional training due to fee cuts so as to maintain adequate income levels. If a psychiatrist is not competent in his or her field, how can appropriate up-to-date assistance be provided? This lack in competence would not lend to appropriate professional behavior.
It is my hope that these important issues are addressed, so that we can ultimately assist the client in the best way possible. Establishing labor unions may help; however, the current lack of altruistic behavior in the psychiatric field left an unfavorable impression on me in terms of its future.
On a personal note, I believe that in the field of mental health, medication and counseling should be a combined effort. The profession is meant to help people, not just hand out prescription adjustments. Hopefully, the practitioner's concern for their pocket will not prevail in the end and outweigh their ability to help clients.
- Amanda P.
http://www.apa.org/ethics/code/index.aspx
After grasping this definition, it greatly concerns me that medical doctors who are being paid $150,000 – 200,000 a year are seeing their patients for only 15 minute sessions, often months apart. This shows that the medical field is focusing on funds and cutbacks, rather than the true well being of the patients that need help. The only way that this can be resolved is to find passionate professionals who view their patients as challenges who they can help, rather than simply clients, and that insurance companies will not get in the way of this goal. It's truly sad to see that a profession once based off helping those with mental health issues has turned into just another method for picking pockets.
Also, I feel like psychiatrists can not really diagnose people accurately in just a short amount time and the quality of treatment won’t be as good. In the article, even Dr. Levin says that the quality of the treatments he gives now is not as good as it used to be. Back then, Dr. Levin made a diagnosis after he saw a patient about 10 times, but now he does it in the first 45 minutes. I can understand having a 15 minute session with some people who are doing well on their medication, but some people might need more time. Some people may be fine with short sessions if they just need to get a proscription for a refill of their medication.
You need to be able to get to know your patients in an order to even be able to prescribe the medication. How would you know in the 15 minutes you spend with a person which medications to put them on, if the medications are working, or if they even need medication? We have come so far in the Psychology field and now it see ms we are taking a step back. As a society we need to step up and voice our opinions about this in order for it to change.
To my surprise as I attempt to become a clinical psychologist in the future I am told over and over that as a psychologist I will have to deal with mental health issues faster due to the insurance company pressure. This is incredibly disappointing to me because I don’t believe people around the country are receiving quality care. I’m just scared the system will get worse as time goes on and it will be expected of psychologists to cure patients within one or two treatments.
Because of this knowledge I am going to attempt to go into the field of sports psychology and combine the two things I love most. In this field I will be able to get the time I need with the athletes and help them with their own issues while making them mentally tough. This is a field where I feel like I can make the most impact on people who can use my knowledge in mental processes to their advantage and I can only hope of having the opportunity to get a job in that field.
A comment that the psychiatrist quoted in the article made that aggravated me was in regards to “keeping his standard of living”. Both from the information in the article and previous experiences with psychiatrist, they are pretty well off. It is hard for me to believe that the change in the insurance was so much that he wouldn’t be able to live a comfortable lifestyle. Of course you go to school for certain things because it has good pay but you should also, as he mentioned he did, want to help people and have a positive effect. Unless it is just all about the money, psychiatrist should make the small sacrifice of down grading from their Lexus to an Accord in order to make a better difference in their patients’ lives.
At a certain point in my life, I had personally heard of a story in which a patient had been recommended medication for depression problems. This person whom I spoke to felt quite insulted and shedid not feel they were getting the necessary help. Rather, she felt an overwhelming pressure to take medication that she were not comfortable taking, in order to improve a minor, short-term problems. In cases such as these, patients are solely looking for some sort of advice or support from psychiatrists, however it seems to be difficult to find. I personally find the idea behind this article to be disturbing. The future of mental health, which affects many people and multiple professions, seems to at this point be quite scary and questionable.
I think people have more ability to control their mood than being given credit, but unfortunately this is an instant gratification type of world now a day, and the quick fix is to drug people. Simple things such as exercise, a good diet and quitting habits like smoking and drinking can physically change a person, which results in a change in mood. People prefer to be lazy and the doctors don't seem interested in giving the tough love dose of telling patients to basically work on their selves, and stop blaming the world for their problems.
This article discusses how psychiatrists these days are simply seeing their patients for short, 15-minute sessions in which they make a quick diagnosis to prescribe medication to their patients. I personally found this very shocking because I had always been under the impression that psychiatrists spent many hours and many sessions getting to know their patients and their issues before prescribing them medication. I simply do not understand how a psychiatrist can make an assumption on what is best for their patient in that short of a time.
This leads me to believe that the patients are not receiving the proper medication. How can the psychiatrist know right off the bat that a certain prescription is best for a certain patient after only spending 15 minutes with them? All patients are different and have unique problems. I feel that it is not fair for a patient to spend so much money on a psychiatrist only to be rushed in and out of their office and possibly with a prescription that will not even help.
I am not advocating this behavior but, I think that it is important to look at both sides of the situation. The psychiatrists are not abandoning their patients; they are still meeting with them (of course, for much shorter amounts of time) and prescribing medicine that they feel is appropriate for the situation. It may be helpful for the psychiatrist and therapist to discuss patients and medications that they are taking. Although this would be ideal, I don’t know if psychiatrists would be willing to do something like this seeing as they are cutting down appointment time with patients.
This leads me to believe that the patients are not receiving the proper medication. How can the psychiatrist know right off the bat that a certain prescription is best for a certain patient after only spending 15 minutes with them? All patients are different and have unique problems. I feel that it is not fair for a patient to spend so much money on a psychiatrist only to be rushed in and out of their office and possibly with a prescription that will not even help.
I feel that this is detrimental to the health of people because their issues are not being dealt with properly. Instead of dealing with health concerns in the safest way, psychiatrists are taking the easy road by prescribing medicine without knowing all of the details of their patients. Due to this issue, I think it is a good idea for doctors to begin labor unions in order to keep the practice thinking in the proper way. In doing this, insurance companies will not be leading the medical industry, which can keep the patients safe and healthy.
It is extremely scary to see how corrupted industries have become, which cannot be good for the health of the patients who need their mental health issues solved. It is hard to believe that the industry has been changing due to money issues instead of individual needs. If individuals are being prescribed prescriptions more easily, more issues may be created for that particular individual. Hopefully labor unions can be formed in order to keep the health of patients the first priority in the mental health industry.
The fact that psychiatrists can give out a prescription for medication without really talking to a patient is also an alarming fact. If a psychiatrist does not know their patient on a personal level, how can they be able to know what type of medication is necessary for them? I believe that a psychiatrist should know their patient on a personal level, including the state of mind they are in and their current situation, in order to be able to suggest a specific medication. Specific medications could have damaging effects on a certain kind of person, which makes the situation that much scarier.
Thank you for posting this article because it really gave great insight into an issue that many are unaware of. I am saddened by this article because it shows how much insurance companies and monetary restrictions play in the role of professions such as psychiatry. I believe that talk therapy is a very importance component that patients expect and deserve in their sessions. They deserve alternative options to medication because we are all aware that medication does not simply solve every issue. Sometimes, medication may make things even worse. Also, I know that I would like to have a personal relationship with my psychiatrist and not feel like I was being rushed out of the office with a prescription in my hand. This article shows that psychiatrists do have the best interests of their patients in mind yet they are restricted to show those best interests by the restrictions set by the insurance companies.
I think that it is a great idea for physicians to create a labor union for themselves to protect their rights and the rights of their patients. While doing some research, I came across the Union of American Physicians and Dentists. This union aims at protecting physicians and giving them the tools necessary to take control of their own patients and practices. It aims at eliminating problems such as the ones stated in the article and I believe that this is a fantastic option and one that should be taken into account to rid of these saddening situations.
http://www.uapd.com/all-doctors-need-a-union/
I think that the psychiatrists would feel that this is not as worthwhile because they will not get to really know their patients as they did in the past. They will not get to actually help their patients by talking with them about their struggles and imperfections. We now will be relying on the psychologists, social workers and therapists to fill this gap. The future of mental health is now in the hands of other professionals and not the psychiatrists, except for medication adjustment.
In turn, these struggles may alter the type of medication and treatment the patient will receive. If a psychiatrist is unable to provide quality services to their patient due to implementing facts presented from insurance companies, they can be viewed as acting in an unethical manner. One of the largest ethical codes it to provide the best environment and treatment for all patients to fulfill a greater well-being for all parties involved. How are these services going to be fully provided if the psychiatrist does not even know the clients name? The biggest issue in the situation above is the insurance companies. Once their policies are altered, I believe treatment may be improved. However, at the same time, psychiatrists should not solely focus on the amount of money made from a session, but the amount of help and success the client receives.
After reviewing the article, Troubled Children: Diagnosing, Treating, and Attending to Context (http://z3950.muse.jhu.edu.online.library.marist.edu/journals/hastings_center_report/v041/41.2.parens.html, it brings up some interesting points pertaining the process psychiatrists go through when diagnosing a client. Although the DSM plays a large part in the diagnosis of a patient, a psychiatrists needs to also take into consideration the clients culture, environments and race to name a few. The psychiatrists make a few judgments before prescribing any medication. For this reason, if a psychiatrist only meets with a new patient for 15 minutes and is diagnosing the new patient based on the DSM and judgments, how accurate will his results be? The authors stated the following when introducing the judgment process, “more and more children in the United States receive psychiatric diagnoses and psychotropic medications—this is not news. With those increased rates of diagnosis and pharmacological treatment come sometimes intense debates about whether those increases are appropriate, or whether healthy children are being mislabeled as sick and inappropriately given medications to alter their moods and behaviors.” The fact that more children are being put on medication may be correlated with the decrease in time in sessions.
Dr. Levin was once a psychiatrist who sat down and had long therapy talk sessions with his patients, and could deal with them on a name to name basis, and enjoy their company as he learned a lot about their individual lives. He was there to be a good friend and a good advice giver, which I feel is extremely detrimental in the field of therapy. Now a days, he has become a psychiatrist that prescribes medication to his patients all day long within short 15 minute sessions. I feel that 15 minutes is not enough to learn all about a person’s life and serious issues and problems and a drug should not be prescribed to a patient unless it is clear what conditions exist or may not even exist. The worst thing in the world would be to issue a patient medication because they may be “depressed”, meanwhile in reality they just need a good friend or listener to hear out their daily hassles. A therapist or even psychiatrist is a person that should know you, learn new things about you, and be on a name to name basis with you because they have a lot of power to help a patient get well, whether it may be through life talks or issuing prescription drugs to those who are in desperate need of help.
I do understand that time is money and we all want to live comfortable lives and have bills to pay, but in a field like psychiatry where your primary role is to help your clients, it would be nice to know that most professionals want to truly help, not just make money. An interesting article from a practicing psychiatrist in Australia about the difference between providing efficient service and making money: "Only martyrs need apply: why people should avoid isolated psychiatry." The author argues that his own practice is not the norm and that most private practices have difficulty surviving. Being that this article is from 2003, it would be interesting to see how widespread the shift that Dr. Levin sees occurring is. Perhaps in the last 8 years there have been significant changes or maybe it is due to the insurance differences between the US and Australia?
McLaren, N. (2003). "Only martyrs need apply: why people should avoid isolated psychiatry." Australasian Psychology, 11(4), 456-459. doi: 10.1046/j.1440-1665.2003.02037.x
Money is not everything. Quality is still valued and important, but that sometimes escapes
peoples thoughts.
I think it is a good idea to establish a labor union for physicians. The teacher’s union seems to be working in protecting the rights of teachers, so why wouldn’t it work for physicians? The union would create a standard that would apply to all physicians, and all patients would be treated accordingly. I think having a union would prevent or lessen fraud by physicians, and give a better sense of relationship between the patient and physician.
I think that Katie and David (71 & 72) brought up interesting points. We do live in a fast paced world, so shouldn't meeting with psychiatrists be just as fast paced? We are so focused on doing so much in one day, so doesn't it make sense to meet with psychiatrists and other professionals quickly in order to be able to accomplish the other 50 tasks we expect to do in one day?
Personally, I think that people need to slow down and take the time to work with a psychiatrist. Prescribing someone medication is something that should not be rushed; psychiatrists need to make sure that they know their patients and are prescribing appropriate amounts of medications for people. There have been way too many issues with people dying from overdosing or mixing medications, and I think that people need to take medications more seriously. Medication is just seen now-a-days as the easy way to cure people; people do not see any risk in prescribing or taking medication.
The first thing that came to me as I was reading this article was MONEY! In todays world, economic profitability has become this evil yet guiding force. Therefore, because money has such a status, the common good of people has diminished. What is sad is that professionals like psychiatrists are falling into and further digging the hole of diminishing common good.
I can understand why money is such a big deal for Doctors because they do spend alot on their education. Having a sister who is pre-med I know first hand how much money will be spent on the education. However, I am still taken back by Dr. Levin's comment, 'Hold it. I’m not your therapist. I could adjust your medications, but I don’t think that’s appropriate.'
Just a final thought that is still lingering in my head is how can a psychiatrist prescribe the right medication if they themselves don't spend time with the patient to learn more about them? How is a teacher to know how a student learns best if they dont spend time to talk to them? This makes me wonder that there may be even greater issues regarding this topic.
I appreciated the connection between the woman who had been “married five times but had never really been married” and scrupulosity. This woman feels as though she is no good and useless. She believes that everything she does is evil. She thinks that she is incapable of being loved. This leads me to the question: How is it humanly possible for all of these characteristics to lead to a successful marriage? And the answer: It probably is not possible. Clearly this spiritual disorder is affecting other aspects of the woman’s life. Here I begin to see the connection between the fields of psychology and spiritually.
A spiritual disorder has the ability to impact not only one’s spiritual life; as the opposite is also true. For this reason, I agree that at times, churches should refer their clergy for psychological therapy instead of turning to the spiritual or sacramental resources. In the same sense, it is equally important to experience spiritual therapy in different instances. Both fields bring diverse points of view and outlooks to the table; both are beneficial in certain circumstances. After researching what exactly spiritual therapy is, it seems as though the two fields obviously overlap. Spiritual therapy helps one gain more understanding and consciousness. According to author Dorothy Becvar, issues of spirituality can be brought into the therapy room; the two fields can work together.
I read your article with sadness and must point out that this article is dealing with a psychiatrist who is in private practice-not a counseling psychologist who works within a college, school, agency for the developmentally disabled, probation system or other court-related facility. So, yes, it is true private practice may be very challenging-difficult.
The other side we haven't explored is that there may be MORE opportunities for guidance counselors, licensed mental health counselors, etc. who work within AGENCIES because they can and will be hired at lower rates that the Ph.D. clinicians or M.D. psychiatrists.
Check out the web site of the American Counseling Association (http://www.counseling.org/)-they are much different than the American Psychological Association (of which you are familiar) and your review of their website-and maybe becoming a student member-may give some other ideas. I think I might be able to put you in touch with someone who has gone on to become a certified counselor in the school systems. We can go over this more. bvo
Question: What percentages of psychiatrists still do therapy in addition to counseling?
Answer: The overall response rate was 60%. Primary care physicians mostly report awareness of pediatric ADHD guidelines and follow those clinical practice recommendations. But, some physician dissimilarities are seen, and areas for enhancement and improvement are noted. Many primary care physicians show low access to mental health services, low insurance coverage, and other potential system barriers to the delivery of ADHD care. It stated that “Additional study is needed to confirm provider-reported data; to determine what constitutes high-quality, long-term management of this chronic condition; and to confirm how reported practices associate with long-term outcomes for children with ADHD.”
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/114/1/e23
After applying to graduate schools for programs in clinical psychology and mental health counseling, and after learning more about the realities of being a counseling psychologist, i have come to the realization that i will not be able to reach my goals of helping others sufficiently; between insurance complications and the spirit of the times, it just doesn't seem realistic anymore. My previous doubts have only been solidified by this article.
In one of my classes today, we were talking about how my generation (around the age of 21) is completely focused on instant gratification. We don't want to have to work for things-we want our problems to be solved immediately. For someone who has decided to enter therapy, however, immediate success is impossible. How can we be living in a world where immediate gratification is so consistently necessary, but not always possible? Certain things, including mental health in particular, cannot be achieved in a brief 15 minute session where only medicine is prescribed.
it scares me to think that counseling psychology is following the times and finding its way into the realm of instant achievement.
When will people realize this just doesn't work?
40 15-min sessions (10 hrs worth) at 225/hr = $9000 X 52 weeks = $468,000.00
for one days work each week. (someone pls. check my math)
It is indeed very sad. Now we see why managed care had to step in. bvo
In high school I was seeing a psychiatrist who was a family friend. She was outstanding. Sessions were always 45 minutes of talking. I was able to really open up and talk through things that were going on in my life. She prescribed me medication and helped me get better and better. We began to have sessions much more spread out and then finally she explained she was retiring. She gave me provided me with a few names in the area to check out for future psychological assistance. I chose one and began to see her. Even my first session with my new psychiatrist was shorter than I'd ever experienced before. She kept me in the room for about 10 minutes (maybe even less) and didn't seem to care about my background or what my anxiety disorder entailed. She was simply focused on what medication to prescribe me and a $225 check. I gave it a second chance about a month later but the same thing happened. Needless to say I was extrememly disappointed and never went back. It is such a shame that therapy has come to this.
Many thanks.
The second article gives a good answer to my questions. I hope blog readers will give it a detailed reading and comment here if they are interested.
If students find other articles in different sources....that is fine...please post them...it will make our answer even more valid.
tx Lia! I have "noted" your contribution. bvo
Professor Van Ornum (#38), to address some of your questions, I found an article about the differences between psychologists and psychiatrists. The article does touch upon how different types of therapies will work best for different people. Some may benefit from talking through their problems, while others may be more hurt by doing so, making medication another option.
Pay close attention to the last paragraph on the first page, which discusses the shift from psychotherapy to medication prescription with psychiatrists. The second paragraph on the second page also discusses the idea of money and fees in regards to therapy. According to the mentioned statistics, psychiatrists would lose a significant amount of money if they were to take part in therapy sessions with their patients then if they were to hold short medication management sessions instead.
Another article I found more directly discusses the percentage of psychotherapy occurence with psychiatrists and the rapid decline of these treatments. According to this article, in 2008 psychotherapy was used with less than 30% of patient encounters with psychiatrists.
I'm glad we're all being able to see how part of the real world functions-at least, one practice of a psychiatrist whom (courageously) allowed himself to be questioned by journalists and featured in the NY Times.
How typical is his practice? I am not sure.
Does anyone have statistics about how common this "15 minute practice" is among psychologists?
What percentge of psychiatrists still do therapy in addition to counseling?
Students-can you find any details on google.com, scholar.google.com, or the online data base search engines? bvo
The union idea is an interesting one-it is worked for teachers. I'm surprised that it hasn't brought in much discussion here as it is one of the topics that evokes much thought when applied to the budget situation in Wisconsin, the shirt company fire in NYC, etc. Thanks for mentioning it. I hope others will comment upon it. bvo
Your five points are well-taken. Unfortunately, many mental helath problems (note examples by Janice) go beyond the kind of support that can be given by friends. But many have noted that psychotherapy can serve as a substitute for friendship when people are lonely (i.e. one book was called "Psychotherapy: the Purchase of Friendship") it it doesn't seem fair for employers or taxpayers to subsidize this use of therapy. As you aptly point out, that's what friends are for! bvo
ps I know one person who avoids the proton pump pills by eating small dinners and sleeping up in a chair since the particular manifiestation of acid reflux is coughing. It wouldn't work for everyone and this shouldn't be taken as my giving medical advice to anyone, but it's an example of "rationing" and "frugality" and the amount saved is a car payment.
Thanks for the compelling examples. bill
A difficult situation indeed, and I have known many mental health professionals who have become dispriited over the many changes which have occurred. bill
One of the most frustrating aspects of my work at Child Protective Services was finding adequate psychiatric and psychological treatment for our abused and neglected children. Many of them were seriously disturbed and needed intensive treatment. We could only use those therapists and doctors on an approved list and these were paid by Medi-Cal (Medicaid) and were not always the most competent. The psychiatrists prescribed meds and followed up with the 15 minute checkups. Some children were on multiple drugs and suffered side effects. Their care was sub-par and yet funding kept getting cut and cut further. The situation in the state is so dire, I can't imagine how bad it must be now for these children and those who really care for them. Bill, you put so well how tragic the suffering is for seriously emotionally disturbed children, their families and their advocates.
The role of the schools since the passage of the Special Ed laws has also been severely curtailed by state and federal budget problems. One facility here may have to close because of cuts in funding. What will happen to the children? How will the parents cope? You wonder if anyone in government cares.
The psychiatrist in the NYT article seemed pretty heartless and his wife, the social worker,even worse. I do think doctors should be fairly compensated and their need for liability insurance taken into account. I know of two psychiatrists who were sued for malpractice. One was in private practice, lost his case and lost his home, savings, everything. The other worked in a psych hospital and won his case after several years of litigation and agony for his family.
I'm wondering what is taught in the psychiatric part of med school. Do they get training in psychotherapy? Or has it been given up on.
Great topic and great articles and comments. Thank you all.
Gee, what ever happened to <a href = "http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-minute-Hour-Robert-Lindner/dp/1892746247">the 50 minute hour</a>? :)
If people just want drug treatment they'd probably be better off with a psychopharmacologist than a psychiatrist.
This guy sounds like money is what he mostly cares about. Psychiatrists aren't at the mercy of hospitals or insurance companies unless they allow themselves to be so because of wishing to make a certain amount of money. They can work for themselves and make their own decisions about how to treat patients. Having said that, I do blame the greed of insurance companies as well for how this is playing out.
Depressing :(
Thanks for writing back and it sounds like you have a Hurculean task. I worked in a private psychiatric hospital in the 80s and could offer many examples of profligate spending of insurance company's money. I also have served as a NYS Disability Examiner for over 1200 cases and have reviewed the work of many M.D.s and Ph.D.s and have a good idea of the kinds of things that milk the system unfairly.
As I mentioned to Michelle, maybe many Americans should be expected to pay out-of-pocket for more medical care-they will be less reckless with their own money. I suspect that the FDA making anti-reflux drugs, allergy drugs, etc. over-the-counter is one way of keeping prescription costs down.
Intersting what you mention about France. Is their tort system like ours? The possibility of nasty malpractice suits puts alot of pressure on doctors as well as pressure to order tests. I'm sure many doctors would glady take a pay cut if these pressures were eliminated.
When doing all the disability exams I was shocked by all the poor people-and children-with Type II Diabetes, Obesity, and Depression. And much of this seemed like it could be prevented.
I do see a Judaeo-Christian theme in this discussion: taking care of the gift God has entrusted with us, or as the nuns used to say, "the temple of the Holy Spirit." I hope to write about this more in the future, as the devil will be in the details as we try to make helathcare avaialable to everyone in the USA. If you have any other ideas you can write me at ornum@earthlink.net. Thanks for stimulating alot of good thoughts. bill
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