Chicago's Cardinal George came out swinging Wed. in a local throwdown between a Catholic parish and the organizers of the upcoming Gay Pride parade in June 2012. Asked by a local television news reporter to comment on the complaint of the pastor of a parish on the parade route that parishioners would be unable to gt through the crowd to get to Mass on the Sunday when the parade throngs arrived, George offered a comparison that clearly startled the reporter.

“You don’t want the gay liberation movement to morph into something like the Ku Klux Klan, demonstrating in the streets against Catholicism,” Cardinal George said.

“That’s a little strong analogy, Ku Klux Klan,” Fox Chicago’s Dane Placko responded after a moment.

“It is,” the cardinal agreed. “But you take a look at the rhetoric, the rhetoric of the Ku Klux Klan, the rhetoric of some of the gay liberation people. Who is the enemy? The Catholic Church.”

The 2012 parade has been moved from Saturday to Sunday, and the route has been altered because of overcrowding and general rowdiness last year—its size has also been considerably scaled back in the hope that this might reduce the overall craziness. The change in route and time came after last year's parade drew nearly 800,000 people and public safety became a concern. The new route is longer, which organizers hope will relieve street and sidewalk overcrowding, and now directs the parade down Belmont Ave. on Chicago's North Side toward Broadway, both major neighborhood arteries. If the route stands, that means the parade will go right past Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Church and Sunday morning churchgoers will likely have trouble getting through the front door.

If George was worried that something worse might be in the offing at Mt. Carmel by way of expression of antipathy to the church from gay priders turned protestors, his unfortunate comparison seems likely to assure such a confrontation now.

Mt. Carmel pastor Father Thomas Srenn seems to have followed a far more circumspect course in explaining his concerns regarding the proposed Pride route. In a statement posted at the parish Web site, he writes:

Our Lady of Mt. Carmel has been part of the East Lakeview neighborhood for 125 years. From its founding as an immigrant parish until today, our parish has witnessed many demographic changes. Parishioners, indeed, are proud of their local history and particularly proud of the current diversity that exists in our church and school communities.comments seem to assure....

The annual Pride Parade is one of the hallmarks that make Lakeview unique and we in no way wish to diminish its place in the community. The petition simply asks the City and the Chicago Pride Parade planners to consider our concern that the impact of the new route and time would have on the ability of people to participate at Sunday morning Masses

Attempts to provide other access to our church will in no way enable our parishioners to navigate the anticipated crowds or to be able to celebrate Mass in the reflective, contemplative atmosphere that is so important to us.

Parishioners, the residents of our diverse community, the many visitors who will enjoy our neighborhood that weekend, all want to have a safe, peaceful and enjoyable Pride Sunday.

Members of Chicago's gay community are predictably outraged by Cardinal George's comparison of them to the odious KKK. The parade is still months away and cooler heads appear to already have prevailed somewhat.

Forty-fourth Ward Alderman Tom Tunney and organizer Richard Pfeiffer meet with church representatives last week to discuss the parish's concerns about the route and proposed start time of 10 a.m., which is one hour before the church's morning Mass.

Tunney is both Chicago's first openly gay alderman and a Mt. Carmel parishioner, so he may have been especially motivated to find a resolution. Parade organizers now say the start time will be pushed back to Noon to help accommodate Sunday services along the parade route.

"After consulting with the various City departments, we believe this is an agreeable compromise to help keep the parade safe and manageable while respecting the diversity of our neighborhood," Tunney and Pfeiffer said in a joint statement.

 

Comments

Amy Ho-Ohn | 1/1/2012 - 6:54pm
Wow, a voice speaketh from the abyss. Hi, Maria!

It's kind of like that Star Trek Next Gen Episode ("The Next Phase") where Geordi and Ro can only communicate by leaving chronoton emissions by running through the buikheads. Well, I also have learned that opining while female incurs irrevocable latae sententiae excommunication.

I think I see Kevin headed your way with a disrupter, so let me take this brief opportunity to wish you (and all) a happy and prosperous new year. Dominus illuminet faciem suam in nos et miseareatur nostri.

And God bless Nancy Danielson, wherever she is.
Amy Ho-Ohn | 12/31/2011 - 7:53pm
Behold, Maria Byrd has vanished, as if she had never existed.

For all the agonized hand-wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth about groups being "marginalized" and "dehumanized" in the Church, has anybody else noticed that it is invariably only women who are sent <i>rursus in nihilum?</i>
JIM MCCREA | 12/31/2011 - 5:48pm
PJ:  I have long since stopped worrying, caring or paying the slightest bit of attention to ANYTHING a diocesan/archdiocesan office has to say about or to me.

I consider it to be a badge of honor to be on those kinds of *hit lists.
PJ Johnston | 12/31/2011 - 7:00am
Jim (and everyone else):

Be careful about signing that petition if you're a gay Catholic who doesn't want any more negative emotional feedback from the hiearchy, as I signed the online version of the petition with my e-mail address and got some pretty strident e-mail back from the archdiocesan offices.
Bill Freeman | 12/29/2011 - 9:27pm
@Jim - Thank you.  The following is from Jim's referenced URL:


The gay community would certainly argue that bigotry practiced by the Catholic Church is a more powerful force than bigotry practiced against the Catholic Church.The fact that we have a Catholic governor, with whom the Catholic archbishop can meet privately for two hours, is proof that the church has nothing to fear from the Klan, or any other anti-Catholic movement.

The gay community is not the enemy and we are beyond tired of being a convenient target for the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.
JIM MCCREA | 12/29/2011 - 6:54pm
THE CARDINAL, THE KLAN & THE GOVERNOR
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/The-Cardinal-and-The-Klan-136262868.html
Amy Ho-Ohn | 12/29/2011 - 6:22am
@Maria,

OK, fair point. You did not mention "persecution." I guess I was responding mostly to the original analogy that this is like the KKK. My point is just: a "gay pride" demonstration is not like the KKK; it's more like mosquitos. Let's lose the bombastic rhetoric. Chicago is a big town; there's room for people to disagree.
Amy Ho-Ohn | 12/28/2011 - 7:24pm
@Maria,

The saints and martyrs of this Church have been fed to lions, flayed alive, burned at the stake, roasted on grills, drawn and quartered, impaled, dismembered, beheaded and garroted. In recent weeks two score were burned to death in Nigeria, another two score were imprisoned in Hanoi, and hundreds have been murdered in Egypt. And you're carrying on about "persecution" and "heroism," about what? A few pickets, a few condoms and one consecrated host momentarily on the floor?

Can't you see how all this overwrought, hyper-sensitive self-pity about "religious persecution" disgraces the Church and thwarts evangelism? At the General Judgement, won't the Church Triumphant be ashamed of us? When we get to Purgatory, won't Cato Uticensis say, "Oh, look, here comes the Catholic Complainer Generation! You'll fit right in here! You've sure been working on your screaming, haven't you?" And all Purgatory will shake with the thunderous laughter of the Church Suffering.

One Catholic League is at least two more than we need (IMHO.)  Why would anybody perform for free the degrading, embarrassing role they get paid 400k a year to do?
david power | 12/28/2011 - 6:19pm
Touche Maria!!
We are none of us born in any meaningful sense Gay/Catholic.We are human beings.
Persons.
If somewhere in our minds we see gays as an enemy or catholics for that matter then we have been warped by ideology.
There is ideology in the Church and in the Gay Rights movement.
The church is overflowing with homosexuals ,especially in the hierarchy.Homosexuals or gay people that I have known come usually in two varieties.Only two.Shrill and bitter ideologues intent on spreading a little misery and wise and discerning people with huge dollops of understanding and compassion.
Can you imagine if the church decreed that to be American or Irish was inherently sinful?Nah you will say "only to act upon being that way" is sinful.If the Church taught that heterosexual desires were off limits the show would be over in about the time it takes to say  the Rosary.
Homosexuality is a mystery .A freak of nature just like rainbows.
How can we account for it?We cannot.Be humble and accept that.
St Augustine said "Love and do what you like", do homosexuals love?I have changed my mind.They do.No more and no less than heterosexuals. 
How many catholic Saints were homosexuals?God alone knows and he has probably forgotten already.
What should get our knickers in  a twist if not the gays?Well the fact that about 20 per cent of the clergy are homosexuals.Either the Holy Spirit has a serious liking for these guys or else the church needs to consider it's own behaviour.
The Lord never once in His life uttered the word homosexuals but was almost obsessive about hypocrites. Would we complain about persecution if we were Christians?I left my Bible in the car what did Jesus say?
Amy Ho-Ohn | 12/28/2011 - 5:20pm
I personally find it impossible to sympathize with gay men, their political demands or their antipathy to the Church. And i consider the proposition that they are a marginalized minority in modern America dubious in the extreme.

HOWEVER:

Anti-gay rhetoric and anti-Catholic rhetoric are not at all the same sort of thing. People who identify as gay or lesbian are approximately 2% of the population; self-identifying Catholics are approximately 25%. It is a far more noxious, dangerous and un-Christian thing to disparage a small minority than a large plurality. More likely to lead to violence, more poisonous to public discourse and a more profound offense against charity.

And it is preposterous to suggest the Church is in any way endangered by a few isolated (albeit vulgar and offensive) demonstrations. The Church has perdured for two millennia, still enjoys a multitude of special legal protections and privileges in many developed countries and is a wealthy and influential political power-broker in America.

The mere fact that one must reach back to 1989 to find examples of this supposed persecution speaks for itself. It does not require heroism to defend the Church against the gay movement.
PJ Johnston | 12/28/2011 - 4:05pm
Apparently someone on the cardinal's staff thought it would be good clean fun to bait all the signatories to the resignation petition by sending us the cardinal's inflammatory new statement individually to our personal e-mail addresses before the issue hit the papers to make sure we wouldn't miss it.  It's out now.  Here's the Tribune's coverage:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cardinal-defends-comparing-gay-parade-organizers-to-ku-klux-klan-20111228,0,5334065.story
Norman Costa | 12/28/2011 - 3:20am
 
The Cardinal wrote: ''...[T]he organizers invited an obvious comparison to other groups who have historically attempted to stifle the religious freedom of the Catholic Church.'' 

And from the formal invitation issued by the parade organizers:

''Dear Cardinal,

''We, the organizers of the Gay Pride Parade, request the honor of your insensitive, inflammatory, and uncharitable comparison of us to the Ku Klux Klan. The KKK is certainly an obvious choice to which we should be compared. 

''Please be assured that we will not regard the odious comparison as ''...terribly wrong and sinful...'', nor will we feel that we are being, ''...subjected to psychological...harm.''

''Pridefully yours,

''Gays, Lesbians, Bi-sexuals, Transgenders, and Queers''
  
 
PJ Johnston | 12/28/2011 - 2:22am
"I'm a bisexual Catholic. I'm trying my best to stay in the Church but every single thing I hear about LBGTQ people from official representatives of the Church is inflammatory and I feel as if no one in the hierarchy gives a damn if we stay Catholic anymore. (Actually, it seems more likely that comments like this are intended to drive us out of the Church)"

Mass e-mail reply from Cardinal George:

"Statement from Francis Cardinal George, OMI
Archbishop of Chicago
December 27, 2011

The Chicago Gay Pride Parade has been organized and attended for many years without interfering with the worship of God in a Catholic church. When the 2012 Parade organizers announced a time and route change this year, it was apparent that the Parade would interfere with divine worship in a Catholic parish on the new route. When the pastor's request for reconsideration of the plans was ignored, the organizers invited an obvious comparison to other groups who have historically attempted to stifle the religious freedom of the Catholic Church. One such organization is the Ku Klux Klan which, well into the 1940's, paraded through American cities not only to interfere with Catholic worship but also to demonstrate that Catholics stand outside of the American consensus. It is not a precedent anyone should want to emulate.

It is terribly wrong and sinful that gays and lesbians have been harassed and subjected to psychological and even physical harm. These tragedies can be addressed, however, without disturbing the organized and orderly public worship of God in a country that claims to be free. I am grateful that all parties concerned resolved this problem by moving the Parade's start time so as not to conflict with the celebration of Mass that Sunday."

Translation:

You're right, we don't care about you at all and we ARE trying to get you to leave the Church.  If calling prelates out for defamation offends anyone, we the prelates will simply repeat the defamatory remarks.  Sucks to be you.  Just go join a Protestant church, why don't you?
JIM MCCREA | 12/27/2011 - 9:51pm
Karl:

For years I have been archiving comments with which I agree - and some with which I disagree.

I have used this one of yours more than once!

Thank you for making it.

JIM MCCREA | 12/27/2011 - 9:44pm
This was said to me by a friend:  "People who are known for wearing white robes and pointy hats should be more careful about throwing around the Klan reference."

I'm not going to argue with that quote one iota!

David P:  I'll change my archives accordingly.
Liam Richardson | 12/27/2011 - 1:33pm
Wow, Jim, you have quite a memory.

And, I might add, it should not go unnoticed that the issue raised in that comment continues to be elided. Not that we should be surprised. But noticing and paying attention to things not done is part of the foundation of spiritual maturity.
Thomas Rooney OFS | 12/27/2011 - 10:12am
Given their druthers, the KKK would have gays and Catholics alike hanging side by side on the branch of the same tree. 

Bad analogy, Cardinal George. 
david power | 12/25/2011 - 7:44pm
Bravo, attento al accento Americano.
Mi devi portare anche una mela una volta!!!!!
david power | 12/25/2011 - 5:21pm
A bit late in the day but Happy Christmas to one and all and especially to those gay catholics who are hanging on by their fingertips!

It is Protestant in origin and therefore probably heretical but I wanna remind everybody here and Cardinal George and myself "Jesus Loves You ".
JIM MCCREA | 12/25/2011 - 5:05pm
Harsh authorities bleed credibility.


“Catholics are made to suffer more from the church than for it.”  Flannery O’Connor


"Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. "   Marcus Tullius Cicero
ed gleason | 12/25/2011 - 1:15pm
This was and will be  the year of throwing red meat to the base. Cardinal George  say hello to Paul Voida. Will St Patrick Cathedral be moved off 5th ave or maybe torn down by next years gay march?   
Colleen Baker | 12/25/2011 - 12:13am
Paul, let me guess:  you are not gay, not a woman and not black, which I think makes you a white heterosexual male.  Good Oh.  Cardinal George is a white heterosexual male (so we are to believe) and you support each other in your victimhood.  That's too funny.  Merry Christmas.
7046251 | 12/24/2011 - 11:19pm
Very interesting article.  The media is shocked?  I will take a line from the Feminists movement and the civil rights movement, in pointing out the concept that oppression will continue and even increase as long as the oppressed person consents to the oppression and when she/he  objects, she is accused of being the one at fault (as in) when a woman is raped.  The Catholic Church has been most polite in dialog with every revolutionary movement in the US since Vatican II.  Under the vision of John Courtney Murray SJ, we have assumed a civic position of  dialoging with our ideological opponents, rather than confronting them, and it has accomplished nothing.  Our opponents are still trying to destroy the Church, and now when the church (in this example of Cardinal George) starts objecting, the media is shocked?  The only allowable position is for the Church to quietly acquiesce  to her own destruction.  If Catholics had been talking like the feminists and the GLBTs have been talking (that is, screaming) we would be accused of the most uncivil and divisive behavior, but the radical feminists and GLBTs have been extremist and rude in their rhetoric for decades and the media treats them like they are the victims rather then the cultural revolutionaries that they are.
I am not sure of America Magazine's position but it seems that they are (like an abused woman who thinks her rape was her fault) blaming themselves (that is the Catholic Church).  In general, the Media has huge blinders on if they can not see the systematic aggression against the Catholic Church.
Notice the threat in the article that the Gay Pride people may get confrontational because of Cardinal George's comments, that is their way of saying that it is the Catholic Church's fault for any future confrontation. This is like blaming the victim for the crime.
Let me make my position more clear than Cardinal George did (I think he was diplomatically  evasive): The route of the Gay Pride parade in front of the Catholic Church on a Sunday morning is an act of aggression. He has a right to complain and he does not have to be dismissive about this offense.
Thank you for the article.
Merry Christmas.
 
Norman Costa | 12/24/2011 - 5:03pm

Future News Network (FNN) - June 2012, Chicago, IL, USA

A record 850,000 people came to Chicago today to watch or take part in the Annual Gay Pride Parade. By all accounts, it was loud, fun, quirky, colorful, at times bordering on the ourrageous and risque, and a great success, according to parade organizers. ''It's all about pride,'' said the President of the organizing committee for this year's event. ''It's about pride in ourselves, our friends, our community, and in Chicago for being a great city of tolerance and inclusion.''

Only six months ago, there was concern about the reaction of the Catholic Church. Our own Cardinal Francis George likened the rhetoric of some members of the GLBT to that of the KKK. The Cardinal said that to them, the Catholic Church is the enemy.

The Cardinal was prompted to make his remarks, because the parade route was changed and would pass right in front of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, RC Church, on West Belmont Avenue. The local pastor was very concerned because Sunday morning church goers would find it very difficult to get through the crowds and cross the parade route to get to Sunday Mass.

Predictably, there was an outcry over Cardinal George's remarks.  What seemed like an inevitable confrontation between the Catholic Church and the parade organizers, was transformed into a cooperative display of community spirit. It began when the Cardinal apologized for what he described as intemperate and uncharitable remarks.

The Cardinal, himself, negotiated with the city and the parade organizers. Local parishioners organized themselves as escorts and path makers through the crowds, and crossing guards to get church goers safely across the street. The whole thing was supervised by the police so that there would be a minimum of interruptions for church goers and the parade. 

The real news was not the agreement on escorts and crossing guards, but a large sign put up by Cardinal George, in front of the Church. It had the schedule of Masses. 

''SUNDAY
 - 8:00 a.m., 9:30 a.m., 11:00 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. 
AGLO Mass - Sunday 7:00 p.m. - Archdiocesan Gay and Lesbian Outreach''

In addition, the sign read, ''After the parade, come back for Mass, or for private prayer and meditation in our Church. All are welcome.''

We learned that both Cardinal George, and pastor Father Thomas Srenn officiated at the 7:00 pm AGLO Mass. No one expected the overflow crowd for the AGLO Mass. The only problems were two people who tried to disrupt the Mass, but they were quickly excorted out by plain clothes police. 

The Cardinal was asked if the Church would do the same for next year. ''Of course,'' he said. ''That is why the Church is here.'' When asked if he would do anything different, he was quick to say, ''Yes. Next year we will have two AGLO Masses, and sufficient time and priests to hear confessions beforehand.''

A CNN reporter asked if there was anything else he would like to say. He said, ''Bless all gay Catholics, all gay people, and all children of God!'' The reporter was heard to say, ''Amen.''
 
 
JIM MCCREA | 12/24/2011 - 4:25pm
George is already a 32nd degree cleric and his chances of hitting the papal jackpot are probably slim to none. STherefore it’s not that he’s pandering to his Boys Club electorate, so it must mean that he actually believes this nonsense.

And he’s supposed to be one of the most intelligent of the US episcopacy?
Norman Costa | 12/24/2011 - 3:43pm
 
Lord, save us from ourselves, please!

Merry Christmas, everyone.
 
 
Jack Barry | 12/24/2011 - 3:12pm
The simple deed of posting a headline like above is predictably guaranteed to produce immediate, strongly hostile thoughts.  Crediting it to a senior Catholic Church official aggravates the stimulation.   As you sow, … 
Kang Dole | 12/24/2011 - 11:35am
Amy Ho-Ohn | 12/24/2011 - 10:12am
R Winn | 12/24/2011 - 1:51am
If we compare the cardinal's impotent and intemperate speech to the pastor's efficient, effective and respectful negotiations, which one yielded the result that worked?
Perhaps the wrong guy is wearing a red hat. Papal Infallibility does not extend to appointments of officials.
Bill Freeman | 12/28/2011 - 6:49pm
@Amy Ho-Ohn - Your homophobia again is showing.  Where did you ever get that gays rpresented 2% of the populaiton - Concerned Women for America?  All reputable samplings in all cultures find a 10%-12% same-sex attracted population?  Just admit your prejudice and move on.  
david power | 12/27/2011 - 7:17am
Jim ,

It is comment number 163 not 165.
165 was written by the Ghost of Wojtyla. 
JIM MCCREA | 12/26/2011 - 6:22pm
There are gay Catholics who sincerely and deeply fear that to reject their sexual orientation is a gravely sinful act of defiance against the God who created them. Their confirmation of this fear is that their faculty of love - the ability to love not only another human being but God himself - is fundamentally impaired when they reject their orientation. This may not be true for some people, but I know from personal witness that it is true for others. This issue - which to my mind is the truly fundamental experiential issue - is often elided. Certainly the bishops and popes ignore it. Until this issue is addressed in concrete rather than abstract ways, the teaching the Church is promoting is incomplete and lacking a significant measure of credibility for people thus affected.
 
Liam  2009-11-18 09   Comment # 165
 
http://www.americamagazine.org/blog/entry.cfm?blog_id=2&id=81913739-3048-741E-5405178212524077#comments
Bill Freeman | 12/26/2011 - 11:41am
Once again, the usual anti-gay commentators ring in.  How dare the Roman Catholic Church present itself as a “victim” when it has been and continues to be the perpetrator of violence and hatred against the gay community – and with such venomous vitriol from the mouths of closeted priests, pastors, and hierarchy.  With a worldwide sexual abuse scandal and an orchestrated cover-up that just won’t quit, the Roman Church has lost all credibility on matters sexual.   George can opine all that he wants but the vast majority of Roman Catholics (as demonstrated by Pew researchers) are accepting of the gay community.  
Richard Higginbotham | 12/24/2011 - 12:44am
As a prishioner at OLMC in Chicago, I have found this controversy unfortunate for all concerned. If only everyone has been in conversation from the beginning, this could have been avoided. My question now is what happened to Fr James Martin's sensible reflection on the situuation, which was on this ste and on America's site earlier today? Has it been withdrawn, or am I just looking in the wrong places? Or is the Ministry of Truth revising history?
Ronald Fox | 12/23/2011 - 5:43pm
One correction on the story. The parade wasn't moved from Saturday to Sunday. It's always been on Sunday.  The parade route is what changed. It didn't used to go past Our Lady of Mt. Carmel.
JIM MCCREA | 12/23/2011 - 4:48pm
Put yourself on the receiving end of so much of the idiocy that spews from the mouths of catholic spokespeople and clerics about LGBT people and you, too, would justifiably consider the catholic church to be the enemy.
David Pasinski | 12/23/2011 - 4:25pm
Cardinal George is supposedly a brilliant man. I cannot understand his thinking on the utility of such a position and the vituperatin of rhetoric, except a deep reaction formation (for an "armchair psychology" opinion).
JOHN SULLIVAN | 12/23/2011 - 10:53am
I find it hard to believe that such an ignorant statement from a member of the hierarchy can be made even today, given all that has transpired over the last decade. It's little wonder that the "corporate church" has little, if any credibility with the faitnful.He should have read the pastor's statement and perhaps could have learned how to address the issue without making a fool of himself.
Kathy Hughes | 12/23/2011 - 10:37am
George knows better, and his remarks are vile. We aren't going to return to the era when we lay Catholics unquestioningly backed the hierarchy. George's behavior over sexual abuse issues was designed to protect the institution rather than the victims, and his swipe is completely disrespectful. Maybe Cardinal George should remember respect is earned, and he has certainly forfeited his.
Amy Ho-Ohn | 12/23/2011 - 5:15am
Many of the commenters here will be too young to catch the allusion. The Cardinal is thinking of a court case from the late 1970's which involved an attempted National Socialist Party march through Skokie, then a predominently Jewish suburb of Chicago. Outside of Chicago, it is not much remembered. (The court decided to forbid the march.) He confused the Klan with the Nazis.

The analogy is imperfect and it was certainly impolitic of him to use it. These sorts of demonstrations are indeed known for public displays of behavior most people would not want to have to explain to their children. However, the threat of violence and vandalism is probably minimal; in a confrontation, the Chicago police will sympathize with the Church.

 
Carolyn Disco | 12/23/2011 - 1:47am
George is simply not worth listening to, given the level of his discernment about society or history.

The cardinal is obsessed with anti-Catholicism, a subject where he exhibits profound ignorance. It's as though he fails to realize the impact of John Kennedy's election, when much anti-Catholicism lost its force. Isn't a majority of the Supreme Court Catholic? 

In his ad limina around 2002, George wrote,

 ''The Church is an arena of ideological warfare rather than a way of discipleship shepherded by bishops.  ...The Church’s ability to evangelize is diminished.''
 An outstanding critique by Anthony Massimini, a former priest who was in Rome during Vatican II, notes: 
''Here he (George) denies that any arguments in the church have any theological or spiritual value.  To him, they are all expressions of ideology, which of course, must be expunged.
 
Either he doesn’t know his faith and theology, or he doesn’t care to know them.  All he seems to know and care about is his episcopal authority and power.  His idea of “discipleship” seems to be that of a church of sheep who are shepherded by himself and his fellow bishops, and not a church of adult, thinking, discerning, spiritually mature, prophetically active Catholics.''
Anecdote: George reminisced a few years ago about his meteoric rise in the hierarchy: it involved simply receiving a few phone calls about his new appointments. He told priests at a reunion (per one present) that should they be called, it would be equally uncomplicated - quote ''unless they had a couple of kids stashed away in the attic.'' A little light humor or flippant mindset?
Read more…http://votf.org/vineyard/Nov19_2008/survivor.html
Arrogant, dismissive, a clerical narcissist to the core. And not above seriously compromising the truth, as IL Supreme Court Justice Anne Burke learned firsthand. For another day...
Crystal Watson | 12/22/2011 - 9:57pm
I didn't have much respect for Cardinal George before reading this post  (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/depo/2008_01_30_Cardinal_Francis_George/), but now I have even less.  What a creepy thing for him to say.
david power | 12/22/2011 - 8:09pm
“It is,” the cardinal agreed. “But you take a look at the rhetoric, the rhetoric of the Ku Klux Klan, the rhetoric of some of the gay liberation people. Who is the enemy? The Catholic Church.”

We are dealing with mystery but they are dealing with certainty.It is they who are dogmatic.Cardinal George has defended the Church and I salute him for doing so.It is late here in Sofia and the  beers have been many but I still recall this as a cardinal who described his retiremnent dream to be in the confessional.Cardinal George is not a homophobe or a narrow-minded catholic but a man who is looking for the good of souls.If others want to paint him in a negative light let them have their pallette full.      
david power | 12/22/2011 - 8:02pm
Backing the Cardinal !!!Fair play to him for bringing the bones of the argument out into play.
If they wanna play rough they have met their match.
Cardinal George may not be any great shakes in the intellectual stakes but he is a Christian  and has staked the Christian claim clearly.  
They thought he would lay down and take their agression but the found a different kettle of fish.