Loading...
Loading...
Click here if you don’t see subscription options
Michael Sean WintersNovember 11, 2009

In a comment on my blog post from this morning, reader Michael Liddy points out that the Stupak Amendment does not, in fact, prohibit insurance companies from offering plans in the exchanges that cover abortion. It only requires that the companies offer an identical plan that does not cover abortion as well. Thanks for the comment Mr. Liddy and let me clarify the Stupak language.

You are right that the Amendment does not legally ban the offering of privately purchased plans that cover abortion in the exchanges. But, this is a distinction without a difference because the actuaries for the insurance companies, who are party to the negotiations for a reason, estimate that only 20% of those entering the exchanges will not be eligible for a subsidy. Of that 20% only a certain percentage will be women of child-bearing age, and so the pool of those participating in the plans would be too small to subdivide even further into those who want abortion coverage and those who don’t. So, Mr. Liddy you are correct that the Stupak language does not technically forbid it, but the reality of the insurance market does.

All summer I got into shouting matches with some of my pro-choice friends who insisted that the Capps Amendment took care of the issue of public funding. All summer, I said that it didn’t, that it was too-cute-by-half. It would be wrong of us on the pro-life side to try and be too cute about the consequence of the Stupak language in the real world. I am still worried that the backlash may be strong enough to carry us backwards in ways we do not want to go. There are plenty of members who would like to overturn the Hyde Amendment. Prudence is a virtue.

 

 

Comments are automatically closed two weeks after an article's initial publication. See our comments policy for more.
15 years ago
Whatever but it's down to a simple either/ or.. .. 70$ of Americans oppose funding and subsidies for abortion..We Stay with Stupak...if the pro-abortion lobby is willing to stop reform over abortion if it does not increase abortion access... pro-life should be willing to do what it takes to protect Stupak and increase LIFE. .no compromise.. call the pro-abortion bluff..
Think Catholic
15 years ago
It is not only a distinction WITH a difference, the difference is real and the difference makes NARAL's claims false (it makes your claims false too when you and the President adopt their rhetoric).  It isn't pro-lifers' fault that the government will be involved so intricately in so many people's health insurance plans, that the fraction of women in the exchange without government subsidies is so small.  That is the fault of the people who support these kinds of reform.  The pro-life principle IS Hyde:  no government subsidies to plans covering abortion.  If your party's plan is so massive that almost everyone in the exchange gets a subsidy, that's your fault.  It CANNOT be a reason for abandoning the Hyde principle because it affects too many people.  That flawed argument is the same one used in favor of Capps and in favor of abortion in the public option-the other side says they HAVE to cover abortion because it affects so many people.  None of that changes the principle of no government subsidies to plans that cover abortion.  MSW your prescription is that because your party's plan is so massive, pro-lifers should accept some government subsidization of plans that cover abortion.  You bring the camel's nose into the tent.  Stop waffling and support Rep. Stupak.
Think Catholic
15 years ago
And MSW you think that by insisting on Stupak we lose Hyde?  Who are you trying to scare?  Stupak just won with 240 votes in the House.  We lose Hyde by compromising on Stupak, not by insisting on it.  We lose Hyde by following your counsel that since your health reform is so massive we have to accept some government funding of abortion plans.  Once we cross that line, there's no reason we will be able to give against ceding more and more away until nothing is left.  And you keep telling us how pro-life Obama is, and how we supports Hyde and Stupak, and how his pro-life critics are all wearing tin foil hats.  Now you're telling us he will revoke Hyde?  Are you joining the tin foil club?  The threat against Hyde has never been lower than it si since Stupak won with 240 votes.  But now you're calling for compromise with this scare tactic.  To the extent that the President and Congress do represent a threat to Hyde, whose fault is that?  Look in the mirror, and at the other Catholics who supported them and who when it suits their agenda continue to tell us that the visitors are our friends.  For you to now wag your finger about Obama being a threat to Hyde is condescending to say the least.  Stop propping up the obstacles you are throwing in pro-lifers' faces.
15 years ago
Matt;
MSW is pro- life .. I am pro life.. you are pro-life.. but you sound too anti-Obama, anti-congress to help in this battle.. this battle is to rally pro-life Dems to hold Stupak fast.. my congresswoman is Nancy Pelosi and I write her daily on this issue..Not to change her from pro-choice but asking not to sink health care in reconciliation committee by inserting abortion funding access. If you are in Pa get Casey on board..
Think Catholic
15 years ago
Ed, thank you for your opinion.  I am glad you are counseling Pelosi and others to keep Stupak.  That's what I am doing too.  But MSW is doing the opposite, he is counseling that Stupak be watered down, that we accept some government funding of plans that cover abortion, and he and Obama are using the same line that NARAL is using against Stupak.  So perhaps you are not making the distinctions necessary to achieve your own stated goals.

The latest from america

Delegates hold "Mass deportation now!" signs on Day 3 of the Republican National Convention at the Fiserv Forum in Milwaukee July 17, 2024. (OSV News photo/Brian Snyder, Reuters)
Around the affluent world, new hostility, resentment and anxiety has been directed at immigrant populations that are emerging as preferred scapegoats for all manner of political and socio-economic shortcomings.
Kevin ClarkeNovember 21, 2024
“Each day is becoming more difficult, but we do not surrender,” Father Igor Boyko, 48, the rector of the Greek Catholic seminary in Lviv, told Gerard O’Connell. “To surrender means we are finished.”
Gerard O’ConnellNovember 21, 2024
Many have questioned how so many Latinos could support a candidate like DonaldTrump, who promised restrictive immigration policies. “And the answer is that, of course, Latinos are complicated people.”
J.D. Long GarcíaNovember 21, 2024
Vice President Kamala Harris delivers her concession speech for the 2024 presidential election on Nov. 6, 2024, on the campus of Howard University in Washington. (AP Photo/Stephanie Scarbrough)
Catholic voters were a crucial part of Donald J. Trump’s re-election as president. But did misogyny and a resistance to women in power cause Catholic voters to disregard the common good?
Kathleen BonnetteNovember 21, 2024