It was after this moment, 30 years ago, that chiefs of police, beginning in Los Angeles and spreading everywhere, started to say, “We cannot arrest our way out” of this.

The church’s passion for justice arises not only from its moral certainty, but even more from its solidarity with those who are suffering.

It is difficult for a thoughtful Catholic to separate the wheat from the chaff in assessing secular social movements and causes. But we owe it to each other to try.

“Our word isn’t racism. It’s relationship.” Those are the words of Lynne Jackson, the great-great-granddaughter of Dred Scott, who joined “The Gloria Purvis Podcast” to discuss the Dred Scott decision and its ripple effects today.

A conversation with Patrick Saint-Jean, S.J., the author of “The Crucible of Racism.”

On “The Gloria Purvis Podcast,” Gloria speaks with Father Manuel Williams about Sister Thea Bowman and the importance of Black spirituality and liturgy in the U.S. church.